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Under the provisions of Alabama Code Section 12-15-306, Baby Holm was taken into custody by the State of Alabama in October of 2016.  At a “72-Hour Hearing” a couple of days later, under the provisions of Alabama CodeSection 12-15-102, a judge determined that custody should remain in the custody of the State.

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Since that time, the parents, C. Clarke Holm & Danielle Holm, have refused to cooperate with the State in order to demonstrate they are both willing and able to provide for the reasonable care of Baby Holm.  They have continually advanced anti-government, anti-child welfare, and “sovereign citizen” rhetoric and antics to insure they would never have to parent Baby Holm.

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In recent days, it has been rumored that the State of Alabama is moving forward with the termination of parental rights and a restraining order has been put in place in order to prevent the parents from further interfering in the case and as a result of “threats” associated with their activities, their promoters, and their antics.

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The failure to show they were/are able to provide for the reasonable care of Baby Holm includes mental health concerns of the parents, primarily C. Clarke Holm who has a history of mental health issues.

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On February 16, 2018, Danielle Holm posted certain documents to her FaceBook page which included a letter from the State of Alabama, dated December 23, 2016, noting C. Clarke Holm’s mental health history and the parents’ refusal to properly and reasonably resolve the matter for purposes of allowing the State to determine the parents were able to provide for the reasonable care of the child.

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Link to Danielle Holm’s FaceBook Thread:

https://www.facebook.com/danielle.holm.395/posts/211284822781393

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2-PAGE LETTER FROM STATE OF ALABAMA DEPT. OF HUMAN RESOURCES

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For clearer copy, see:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWQK_ubVQAAALe6.jpg

Highlighted comment:

“Mr. Holm is diagnosed with Schizophrenia and Delusional Disorder…”

 

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For clearer copy, see:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWQLEiVUMAEOrii.jpg

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Propositions for Discussion

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Proposition #1

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The State of Alabama was legally and factually justified in taking custody of Baby Holm, under the provisions of Alabama Code Section 12-15-306.

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Robert Baty: Affirm

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C. Clarke/Danielle: Deny

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Proposition #2

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The State of Alabama was legally and factually justified in retaining custody of Baby Holm, under the provisions of Alabama Code Section 12-15-102.

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Robert Baty: Affirm

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C. Clarke/Danielle Holm: Deny

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See other articles on this website for additional information.

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Related FaceBook Group is “Understanding The Baby Holm Case” at:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1425578747477117/

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There has been over 400 posts in the last few hours on the related threads posted by Danielle Holm on her FaceBook page.  Following are examples of the sort of thing being advanced by Danielle’s supporters.

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From Iva Sue Bridgman’s FaceBook thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/ivasue.bridgman/posts/1834115859955248

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From Susan Cobb’s FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/susandunncobb/posts/1921116294568613

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From Danielle Holm’s FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/danielle.holm.395/posts/211503142759561

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From Danielle Holm’s FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/danielle.holm.395/posts/211284822781393

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From C. Clarke Holm’s FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/ivasue.bridgman/posts/1834115859955248

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From Raymond Schwab’s FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/schwabstrong/posts/560427264330252

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From Danielle Holm’s FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/danielle.holm.395/posts/211284822781393

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David Johnson, referenced above, claims to manage “The Assembly of Common Law for New Hampshire”.

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David’s FaceBook page address:

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1405353467

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“The Assembly of Common Law for New Hampshire” FaceBook address:

https://www.facebook.com/The-Assembly-of-Common-Law-for-New-Hampshire-363276430699192/

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Susan Cobb is the C. Clarke and Danielle Holm’s #1 cheerleader, and this exchange has just taken place via Susan Cobb’s Twitter Account:

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From Raymond Schwab’s FaceBook thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/schwabstrong/posts/560465790993066

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YouTube Broadcast 02/17/2018

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Jonathan Payton & Lisa Chasteen Talk About Baby Holm Case

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Jonathan Payton was an early supporter of C. Clarke & Danielle Holm, and Lisa Chasteen was an early private lawyer used by C. Clarke & Danielle Holm, for a very short period of time since they apparently did not want to follow her advice.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7KVnC1yzE&t=1147s

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From C. Clarke Holm’s FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/christian.clarke.holm/posts/1614042885337926

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Danielle Holm proud of their sovcit courtroom antics as reported at:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1425578747477117/permalink/1856431051058549/

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Danielle Holm’s Latest Rant – 02/18/2018

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https://www.facebook.com/danielle.holm.395/posts/211857296057479
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From: Danielle Holm

Date: February 18, 2018

Time: 12:15 PM MT

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Man has complicated EVERYTHING. We keep being harassed about being a “STATE NATIONAL” vs a “US CITIZEN….. and now we have people saying we DON’T DESERVE OUR BABY AND THAT HE SHOULD BE ADOPTED BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!! WHAT!??? How is ANY of that LOVE!?? We KNOW the difference and KNOW that it is ALL MEANT to confuse the masses. NONE of it MATTERS!!! Its ALL underneath the SAME father of confusion!

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I say this: 

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We are NEITHER. We were simply born in a land that man has called the United States of America and that other men have turned into a BUSINESS corporation. This is NOT a country. It only is a country in the minds of those who cannot see past the illusions. This is LAND of the Creator. It is that simple. There is NO specific HOLY land. The ENTIRE PLANET is HOLY, because the ENTIRE PLANET was Created by the Creator. Borders are only a figment of the imagination, and are created for selfish purposes of control, power, and greed. The ENTIRE planet was meant for ALL of us to flow together as one, wherever we are felt led. Do the animals of the world have borders? Why are MORE intelligent species creating MORE confines for themselves? That is so backwards.

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People are trying to complicate our lives, by all of their different opinions, beliefs, laws they believe in, etc….NONE of it matters. Why?

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We have done no harm. We have injured no one. We have not murdered, coveted, stolen, harmed, injured, threatened to injure or harm, nor have we bear false witness against another or anything that has happened to us. We have simply lived our life, in love and now are being thrown all over the place. We ONLY wish to LOVE. Thats it. THAT simple. WHY all the CHAOS????

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From one of Danielle Holm’s FaceBook threads:

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Two more from Iva Sue from one of Danielle Holm’s FaceBook threads:

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Two more from Wayne (there are hundreds of posts on that page regarding these things; I only note a few that catch my interest and seem noteworthy for purposes of this page):

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From Danielle Holm on her own FaceBook thread, and, as far as I can tell, they have never documented C. Clarke’s original Social Security award or the termination thereof:

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The sovcit silliness is strong in these; more from Danielle on her own FaceBook page:

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From Danielle Holm’s FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/danielle.holm.395/posts/211362652773610

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From the comments section of the Payton/Chasteen YouTube Broadcast noted above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7KVnC1yzE&t=1162s

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From: “who is making the claim?”

Channel Address: https://www.youtube.com/user/Beesnchickens  

Date: February 18, 2018

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Could it be that Lisa seems to have little comprehension as to whom shoulders the burden of proof and what that means?

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I believe Lisa argues without evidence and relies exclusively upon secondhand info. Is that what to expect from this attorney…arguing sans evidence like the social worker ladies do?

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Attorney Lisa appears to be asking mom and dad to prove things when it is the one (social worker? who knows?) that has claimed the baby that has the burden of proving why the baby has been taken and why baby must not be immediately returned to mom and dad.

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(End comment.)

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My response to “who is making the claim?” as posted below his on the site noted above.

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From: Robert Baty

Date: February 19, 2018

Time: 9:25 AM MT

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Ultimately, the State of Alabama has made its claims, met its burden of proof and the taking of Baby Holm in October of 2016 has been shown to have been legally and factually justified as has the retention of custody to this day.

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C. Clarke & Danielle have had over a year to rebut the claims and/or overcome the barriers to being reunited with Baby Holm and they have chosen to do other things.

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For myself, my challenge remains unanswered; neither C. Clarke or Danielle will face me and properly deal with the “root” issues in their custody case, and neither will they send out their Champion to do so.

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Should a worthy opponent choose to make their appearance, C. Clarke, Danielle, their Champion, or another, we can work on the logistics of producing a proper exchange of ideas on the proposed “root” issues regarding custody.

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Proposition #1 for Discussion

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The State of Alabama was legally and factually justified in taking custody of Baby Holm in October of 2016, based on the provisions of Alabama Code Section 12-15-306.

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– Robert Baty: Affirm

– C. Clarke/Danielle Holm: Deny

– (Name): Deny

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Proposition #2 for Discussion

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The State of Alabama was legally and factually justified in retaining custody of Baby Holm, based on the provisions of Alabama Code Section 12-15-306.

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– Robert Baty: Affirm

– C. Clarke/Danielle Holm: Deny

– (Name): Deny

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(End comment.)

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Well, “who is making the claim?” has responded with the following:

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From: “who is making the claim?”

Date: February 19, 2018

Time: 9:45 AM MT

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Robert, are you claiming State of Alabama has made claims and met a burden of proof or have you been told this?

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What are you relying upon to conclude that state of Alabama has made claims?
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Who has the burden of proof Robert?
The one making the claim?
Have you met the one making the claim, so called State of Alabama, Robert?
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(End comment.)
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And “who is making the claim?” added:
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From: “who is making the claim?”
Date: February 19, 2018
Time: 9:50 AM MT
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Robert, has it occurred to you that you may benefit from psychological counsel given your strong belief not only in state of Alabama but in the idea that state of Alabama makes claims?
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Do you speak to state of Alabama Robert?
Does state of Alabama speak to you Robert?
For how long has this been the case?
Could you tell us about your early childhood?
Tell us about your mother, Robert.
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(End comment.)
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I responded with the following:
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From: Robert Baty
Date: February 19, 2018
Time: 10:04 AM MT
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@ “who is making the claim?”

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You wrote, in relevant part:

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– “Robert, are you claiming the State of Alabama
– has made claims and met a burden of proof?”

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Yes, as reflected in the 2 propositions presented for discussion should a worthy opponent wish to come forward and advance that discussion; C. Clarke, Danielle, their Champion, or another.

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If they should make their appearance and demonstrate a willingness to advance that proposed discussion, we can, hopefully, complete the negotiations regarding appropriate logistical details.

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(End comment.)

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Some of the latest from a thread on Danielle Holm’s FaceBook page:

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The latest from Danielle Holm’s FaceBook page thread at the following address, mentioning some members of my “Understanding The Baby Holm Case” FaceBook group. 

https://www.facebook.com/danielle.holm.395/posts/211503142759561

Danielle’s post above included the following screenshot, to which I have added some graphics for ready reference:

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He’s baaaaack – “who is making the claim?” returns with:

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From: “who is making the claim?”

Date: February 19, 2018

Time: 11:45 AM MT

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robert, what evidence are you relying upon that state of alabama has made a claim and met a burden?

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do you always argue sans evidence or just in this case?

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can you prove that state of alabama has made a claim and met a burden of proof?

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if so then please share. if not, then could it be that you rely exclusively upon second hand info regarding this so called case?

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(End comment.)

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My reply to “who is making the claim?”:

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From: Robert Baty

Date: February 19, 2018

Time: 12:35 PM MT

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@ “who is making the claim?”

If you wish to get C. Clarke’s and/or Danielle’s endorsement of your representation of their position regarding the “root” issues in the custody case, please do so and let us know so we might advance that discussion appropriately.

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If you wish to independently advance that discussion on your own, feel free to “sign” the propositions denying my affirmations and we can see what we can make of that discussion.

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I will, however, expect you to give up your anonymity; I just don’t give near as much consideration to “Internet spooks”, such as you, as I used to. We should make our “playing field” as level as possible, in my opinion.

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Proposition #1 for Discussion

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The State of Alabama was legally and factually justified
in taking custody of Baby Holm in October of 2016, based
on the provisions of Alabama Code Section 12-15-306.

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– Robert Baty: Affirm

– C. Clarke/Danielle Holm: Deny
– (Name): Deny

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Proposition #2 for Discussion

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The State of Alabama was legally and factually justified
in retaining custody of Baby Holm, based on the
provisions of Alabama Code Section 12-15-306.

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– Robert Baty: Affirm

– C. Clarke/Danielle Holm: Deny
– (Name): Deny

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(End comment.)


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The poster writing under the ID “who is making the claim?” may be the following anonymous FaceBook account holder:

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https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009189489839

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Danielle Holm’s live FaceBook broadcast February 19, 2018:

https://www.facebook.com/susandunncobb/videos/1923843927629183/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD-AH1qmNCw

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My would-be challenger, “who is making the claim?”, who also may be “Amennone Cero”, may also be the same as “Kate of Gaia” who can be found performing in a video at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS8XHWLq6mM

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A series of classic C. Clarke Holm from his FaceBook page thread at:

https://www.facebook.com/christian.clarke.holm/posts/1616002695141945

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Following C. Clarke’s preaching above, Danielle Holm chimed in with her own homily as follows:

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From: Danielle Holm

Date: February 19, 2018

Time: 11:00 PM MT

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When people do not understand something,

they call it crazy.

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When people do not want to understand something

they call it crazy.

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When someone is afraid of breaking through their own denial and has cognitive dissonance,

they call it crazy.

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When you look into the forest (the Creators creation), or out onto a beach (the Creators creation) , where are the letters, numbers, symbols and geometry (mans creations) that make up the straight lines that make up shapes (mans creations)?

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Can you point them out and tell me where you see letters and numbers?

Probably not.

Why does this matter?

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It matters because the entire system functions ONLY by letters, and numbers. Computers are 1’s and 0’s ons and offs.

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The entire commerce system is based off of numbers that only exist to those who made the numbers up in their own minds.

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The Creator did not create any of these things in creation.

Creator created all LIVING things.

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These numbers, letters, symbols, etc… are all figments of the imagination that then create the entire abstract system you see today of artificial life, cars, buildings, cities, corporations, businesses, toys, manufactured items, materialism, etc…its all ANTI-life.

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Why is it anti-life?

Because it has to TAKE AWAY from the Creation of the Creator in order to exist.

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It is created by Man and WOMAN by destroying nature.

It is knowledge that is used against life, for its own selfish purposes.

False idols of worship, carved from the hands of men and women.

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What is ReALLY crazy is believing in these false, abstract IDEAS of men and women, artifically manifested into the reality of the Creator, and slapping the Creator who allows all to breathe, in the face.

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What is REALLY crazy is destroying the earth, watching children, their parents, animals and the rest of life suffer, so that you can go drive your fast cars and live in your mansions that were all built by DESTROYING the very life that the Creator created.

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What is ReALLY crazy is calling the one trying to awaken his brothers and sisters to their own demise of selfishness and destruction crazy while living in a completely delusional world that attacks him and his family.

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Remember, your very own book, called the bible even warned that “he would send a strong delusion to the world, so that they will believe the lie.”

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You can continue to choose to believe the lies fed to you since you were born, or you can choose to open your mind to see the truth and feel the truth. It is your choice, because the Creator gave us all 100% ultimate free will, because that is the ultimate love.

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Man diagnosed with schizophrenia reportedly murders 5-year old son.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/dekalb-county/family-of-man-accused-of-killing-son-say-he-should-have-been-in-jail-before-incident/710007684

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Family of man accused of killing son says he should have been locked up before

By: Carl Willis

Updated: 

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DEKALB COUNTY, Ga. – A man accused of killing his 5-year-old son appeared in court Friday.

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Detectives went over what was found in a house the day, police say, Montrais Boyd killed his son Montrais Jr. and tried to bury him in the backyard. 

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Police said the boy was staying with his grandmother in DeKalb County when Boyd and the child’s mother unexpectedly showed up from California last week.

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At one point, the mother and grandmother left the father at home with his son and three other children.

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Police said that’s when the father used a knife to kill the child. Boyd has been charged with malice murder.

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Police dashcam video shows Boyd being arrested after a high-speed chase in Arizona a year ago, with that same son in the back seat of his car.

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Family members say Boyd is a diagnosed schizophrenic and they believe the state of Arizona failed them by letting him out of jail on bond following the incident.

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Comments

Christian Holm – Schizophrenic & Delusional! — 2 Comments

  1. Thank you Mr. Bot Baty! Lol! Thank you for keeping the truth out there for us sane people to read rather than their false narrative peppered among delusional ramblings and vindictive rantings.

    Yes, their supporters are truly insane and are not going unnoticed. Soon enough this poor baby will be free from this circus.

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