“I often make fun of their legalize with facts like Attorneys as a requirement in Court, when that fact can not be argued with any promise because the Constitution and in fact a free man by Constitution can choose their council of choice, the Bar did not even exist when the Constitution was written, so in fact a licensed Attorney could not be a fact.”
– Ernie Land
– June 25, 2017
PROPOSITION FOR DISCUSSION
Constitutional courts have a 6th Amendment obligation to allow defendants to have non-attorneys like Ernie Land represent them before the Court.
– Ernie Land (Kent Hovind Handler): Affirm
– Robert Baty: Deny
The 6th Amendment reads, in relevant part:
“In all criminal prosecutions,
the accused shall enjoy the right
to…have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.”
Is the right to free speech absolute?
Is the right religious practice absolute?
Is the right to a free press absolute?
Is the right to redress of grievances absolute?
Is the right to bear arms absolute?
It’s not that hard to understand, which raises questions as to what Ernie is up to with his years’ long promotion of the lie he continues to promote regarding the right to counsel.
Is a defendant’s right to counsel absolute?
Ernie Land, the answer is NO!
You, Ernie Land, are wrong and you know or should know you are wrong!
That the “Bar” as we know it today did not exist at the time the 6th Amendment was established is irrelevant to deciding the matter, Ernie, and you should know that!
Why, Ernie Land, would you set up a strawman like that in support of your wrong-headed claim?
The defendant, in such cases, is not the only one involved and not the only one on whom rights are bestowed.
The courts, then and now, have rights, and one of the rights is to control who might be allowed to participate in proceedings brought before the court.
Today, when there is a “Bar”, the courts have restricted practice before them, with a few exceptions, to members of the “Bar”.
The Founders knew it then and we know it now.
Ernie Land knows it, but he continues to tell his lie about it.
The Judiciary Act of 1789
September 24, 1789.
1 Stat. 73.
CHAP. XX. – An Act to establish the Judicial Courts of the United States.
SEC. 35. And be it further enacted, That in all courts of the United States, the parties may plead and manage their own causes personally or by assistance of such counsel or attorneys at law as by the rules of the said courts respectively shall be permitted to manage and conduct causes therein.
APPROVED , September 24, 1789.
The courts then could constitutionally limit the 6th Amendment rights of a defendant, and they can do it now, and they do.
Ernie Land, you may be barred constitutionally from representing defendants before constitutional courts in this country.
I know that.
You know that.
You know that I know that.
admit your error,
explain your error, and
bring forth works meet for such repentance!