“I often make fun of their legalize with facts like Attorneys as a requirement in Court, when that fact can not be argued with any promise because the Constitution and in fact a free man by Constitution can choose their council of choice, the Bar did not even exist when the Constitution was written, so in fact a licensed Attorney could not be a fact.”

– Ernie Land

– June 25, 2017

– https://ytmp.blogspot.com/2017/06/kent-hovind-update-waiting-for-theos.html



Constitutional courts have a 6th Amendment obligation to allow defendants to have non-attorneys like Ernie Land represent them before the Court.

– Ernie Land (Kent Hovind Handler): Affirm

– Robert Baty: Deny


The 6th Amendment reads, in relevant part:


“In all criminal prosecutions,

the accused shall enjoy the right

to…have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.”


Is the right to free speech absolute?


Is the right religious practice absolute?


Is the right to a free press absolute?


Is the right to redress of grievances absolute?


Is the right to bear arms absolute?


It’s not that hard to understand, which raises questions as to what Ernie is up to with his years’ long promotion of the lie he continues to promote regarding the right to counsel.

Is a defendant’s right to counsel absolute?


Ernie Land, the answer is NO!

You, Ernie Land, are wrong and you know or should know you are wrong!

That the “Bar” as we know it today did not exist at the time the 6th Amendment was established is irrelevant to deciding the matter, Ernie, and you should know that!

Why, Ernie Land, would you set up a strawman like that in support of your wrong-headed claim?

The defendant, in such cases, is not the only one involved and not the only one on whom rights are bestowed.

The courts, then and now, have rights, and one of the rights is to control who might be allowed to participate in proceedings brought before the court.

Today, when there is a “Bar”, the courts have restricted practice before them, with a few exceptions, to members of the “Bar”.

The Founders knew it then and we know it now.
Ernie Land knows it, but he continues to tell his lie about it.



The Judiciary Act of 1789

September 24, 1789.

1 Stat. 73.

CHAP. XX. – An Act to establish the Judicial Courts of the United States.


SEC. 35. And be it further enacted, That in all courts of the United States, the parties may plead and manage their own causes personally or by assistance of such counsel or attorneys at law as by the rules of the said courts respectively shall be permitted to manage and conduct causes therein.

APPROVED , September 24, 1789.


The courts then could constitutionally limit the 6th Amendment rights of a defendant, and they can do it now, and they do.

Ernie Land, you may be barred constitutionally from representing defendants before constitutional courts in this country.


I know that.

You know that.

You know that I know that.


Ernie Land, 


admit your error, 

explain your error, and 

bring forth works meet for such repentance!

A cast 2232



Ernie Land’s 6th Amendment Strawman! — 1 Comment

  1. UPDATE: Another Exchange with Kent’s Ernie Land!
    From: Robert Baty
    Date: July 4, 2017
    Time: 12:20 PM MT
    Lying Ernie Land wrote to Deana Holmes about an hour ago, in the
    above sub-thread, in part:
    – “The 6th amendment says ‘assistance of counsel’.
    – The BAR didn’t exist in America until almost 100
    – years later, so how in the world of logic can that
    – mean a BAR licensed Attorney?

    – No logical reason…

    – Answer this with logic.”
    It’s only been logically explained to Ernie about 100 times and
    he refuses to even try to refute it.
    As with other “rights”, the right to “assistance of counsel” is
    not absolute.
    As with other “rights”, the limitations and exceptions are not
    expressly stated in the Constitution despite their ungetoverable
    existence which is subject to change according to the development
    of the law, facts and circumstances.
    It’s not about when the BAR began to existence in this country.
    It’s about the right of the Court to keep out nutbars like Ernie
    The Founders knew this.
    Ernie has been explained this over and over and over again.
    The Court could control who practiced before it then.
    It can control who practices before it now.
    Here’s my most recent archived account of explaining this
    to Ernie Land :
    I noticed that shortly after posting his 6th Amendment strawman again,
    Ernie also posted his announced, typical, cut and run, exit strategy.


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