Watch for Updates

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Proposition #2 for Debate

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Structuring requires 2 or more transactions
of $10,000 or less,
on the same day,
that total more than $10,000.
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– Kent Hovind: Affirm
– Joseph Edward: Affirm

– Robert Baty: Deny

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After an exchange on the FaceBook page of Robert Stanley and a related private exchange via FaceBook Messenger, dated September 19, 2017, Joseph Edward and Robert Baty have agreed to debate/discuss the above proposition which reflects the issue Kent Hovind claims is fundamental to understanding his legal problems.

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Link to Robert Stanley page discussion:

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https://www.facebook.com/rl.stanley.3/posts/339462883181894

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Joseph Edward FaceBook page link:

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https://www.facebook.com/josephedwardhughes

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Robert Baty FaceBook page link:

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https://www.facebook.com/robert.baty.1

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Additional details remain to be worked out regarding the advancement of the proposed discussion/debate.

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Due to personal circumstances regarding both participants, the debate/discussion may take more than a couple of weeks to develop.

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UPDATE September 20, 2017

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Following is the substance of the exchange between Joseph & Robert via Robert Stanley’s FaceBook page on September 19, 2017.

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UPDATE October 8, 2017

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Joseph Edward has indicated his response, his first affirmative or other statement, will be posted to the comments section of this page.

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Waiting!

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UPDATE 10/13/2017 – Joseph Edward Withdraws!

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UPDATE October 14, 2017

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My Response To The Above

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The following response has been posted on numerous FaceBook pages.

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I just noticed that Joseph Edward “shared” my post to his page and added the following comments:

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https://www.facebook.com/josephedwardhughes/posts/1972481829693166

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(Begin quote.)

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I (Joseph Edward) withdrew from the debate

because I felt led to no longer do this debate,

and the LORD confirmed it with multiple people

advising me to not do this.

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God’s Will be done, and

He has led me to not participate in this debate.

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(End quote.)

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That’s simply not true, but I would like to find out who the cowardly sorts are that advised Joseph and what, specifically they advised apart from “don’t do it”.

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The reality of it the matter is that God and Joseph and I know that Kent’s claim regarding “structuring” is false and Joseph had nothing to offer that could be reasonably concluded to be any kind of legal basis for what Kent and his people have been claiming for years.

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Shame on Joseph and his advisers who are trying to lay it off on God when they could have, should have simply come out publicly and admitted they could NOT, NOT, NOT defend Kent Hovind’s false legal narrative.

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– Robert Baty

– October 14, 2017

– 6:45 PM MT

 
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My Response To The Above

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Joseph Edward v. Robert Baty

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Update!

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Propositions for Discussion (after the “structuring” position Joseph Edward pledged himself to defend is resolved):

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#1

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The LORD confirmed Joseph Edward’s decision to withdraw from the debate with Robert Baty with multiple people advising him to not do it.

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– Joseph Edward: Affirm

– Robert Baty: Deny

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#2

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Robert Baty’s denial of the above claim by Joseph Edward is an unrighteous and invalid judgement.

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– Joseph Edward: Affirm

– Robert Baty: Deny

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#3

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Joseph Edward has biblical grounds to say that it would be a Godly and Wise decision to no longer take part in the “structuring” debate with Robert Baty.

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– Joseph Edward: Affirm

– Robert Baty: Deny

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UPDATE October 15, 2017 – Joseph Edward Is Back

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Joseph Edward asked to join my Hovind FaceBook page and was allowed to do so.  Among other comments, he posted the following at the link below.

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/kenthovindsworstnightmare/permalink/851555061680291/

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My Response to Joseph Edward

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For background, see:

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http://kehvrlb.com/joseph-edward-v-robert-baty-structuring

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The proposition Joseph Edward pledged himself to defend was:

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Structuring requires 2 or more transactions

of $10,000 or less,

on the same day,

that total more than $10,000.

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– Kent Hovind: Affirm

– Joseph Edward: Affirm

– Robert Baty: Deny

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This is not rocket science, Joseph Edward.

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You either have a legal reference to support the claim, or you don’t.

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If you have one, you could have simply posted it a long time ago.

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You may post it now if you have one.

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If you have none, you should be man enough to admit it.

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I don’t see much controversy over you decision to back out. It was not unexpected.

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What I contest and deny is your claim that God is responsible for your decision.

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Update October 16, 2017

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Link to FaceBook Summary of Clemensen/Edward Dispute

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/kenthovindsworstnightmare/permalink/852016538300810/

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Comments

Joseph Edward v. Robert Baty – “Structuring”! — 3 Comments

  1. Joseph Edward sent this to me in the early morning hours of October 16, 2017!
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    Dear Reader:
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    I refuse to debate with Robert Baty for a plurality of reasons.
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    The first being that I am convicted by the LORD to not participate
    in this activity. I have been led to not do this, and I believe
    the LORD confirmed my doubted convictions by sending multiple
    people advising me to no longer take place in this debate. I have
    Biblical ground on my decision and refuse to go any further.
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    I have seen a rumor that has said I probably accept the flat earth theory.
    .
    That is simply and absolutely false. I see no scientific evidence
    for it whatsoever and I believe that all scientific evidence points
    to a Young Earth. I accept the Heliocentric theory. Regarding my
    FEMA video, it is a theory, there is no evidence for it, and I
    question the accuracy of that myself.
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    I have not researched the incident in Las Vegas, so therefore I
    have no comment on that.
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    My views are strongly and deeply Biblically Conservative.
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    I deny the evolution theory and accept the Young Earth Creationist
    view.
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    I accepted JESUS CHRIST as my personal LORD and SAVIOR January
    27’th of this year at 9:07 P.M.
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    I am Saved by nothing more and nothing less than the BLOOD OF
    JESUS CHRIST! I do not believe in any sort of works by Salvation
    (Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and
    that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works,
    lest any man should boast.) I am a Biblical Christian. God Loves
    you, and if you die today, where would you go?
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    Finally, I say to you, I will not answer any questions that originate
    from the debate because I will not debate.
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    I have said all I need to say in this statement, and I hope that it
    is satisfactory. I hold no hatred, bitterness, or hard feelings
    towards Robert Baty. I love and Pray for him just as any other human
    being I know, and I respect him as my elder. I may not agree with him
    or those who read this, but I will clarify that I will not and never
    have held any hard feelings towards Robert or anyone I have come across.
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    It Is In the MASTER’S Service,
    yours,
    Joseph Edward
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    (End quote.)
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