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Originally Posted December 13, 2016
by Robert Baty
That is what it sounds like to me.
In what might have been unintended, Ernie Land (one of the Kent Hovind handlers) reported today, in a video broadcast by Rudy Davis (aka LoneStar1776), that Brady Byrum had been involved, secretly, in the Christian and Danielle Holm baby case in Alabama.
Time marked link to Ernie’s comments:
(Begin transcription of Ernie Land comments.)
And he (Brady Byrum) did a good job here on Alabama soil with that couple
he helped that they kidnapped the baby right off the mother’s breast while newborn, one day old.
They took the baby away from them.
They’ve been fighting for a month and a half to get their baby back because they didn’t want to
give it a birth certificate and didn’t want to have a social applied to it at that point and Brady
came in there and he’s been the helping hand behind the scenes.
Of course, everything has to be done pro se so they’re doing it pro se and they’re nailing the
state of Alabama to the tune of 1 billion dollars.
The FBI has now opened an investigation into that matter.
So, Brady is going to be, he’s going to be, he’s going to help a lot of people across the nation.
I’ve had some discussions today with promoters of the Holm cause, which might have some merit, but may have been derailed by sovcit silliness such as Brady Byrum and like-minded folks have brought to the case.
As indicated below, Brady’s involvement, or someone else’s similar involvement, is reported to have influenced the State’s actions in the case and prevented a speedy resolution of the custody dispute.
Contact Between Parents and Baby Cut Off After Letter Sent
The source reported that the Holms experienced retaliation recently from DHR.
As of 3 1/2 weeks ago, all visitation between the baby and his parents was halted.
The visits ceased without warning after the Holms sent a lengthy certified letter to
multiple people involved with the taking of their baby, with copies of the letter sent to
Alabama Senators Jeff Sessions
as well as to
Congressman Mike Rogers.
The 25 page letter lists the laws allegedly broken and Constitutional rights allegedly
violated by DHR, the sheriffs department, Anniston Regional Medical Hospital, and
other parties who participated in or enabled the actions against the family.
An anonymous source sent a copy of the letter to Health Impact News, and it has been
verified as the second notice which was sent to multiple individuals and entities on November 28.
The notice began with a reminder from the Holms that “the Creator of the Universe YHVH is
watching and recording everything you do,” and that they will one day give an account for their
actions before God.
There was also a reminder that all who hold any type of office or position with any governmental
entity are sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Alabama Constitution.
This could ultimately have ramifications for the Hovind case, if the FBI investigation traces Brady Byrum back to Kent Hovind or otherwise finds connections. It was reported that Christian and Danielle Holm walked from Mobile, AL to Cheaha State Park which could have taken them through Kent’s 145 acre compound for some time.
It’s still quite speculative at this point.
Demonstrations are planned for tomorrow (December 14, 2016) as the case is scheduled to go before a judge on the custody issue.
I have several separate threads on my dedicated Hovind page at the following link for more details as to how I came to get involved in this matter, links, and my effort to engage those promoting a Brady Byrum approach to the problem.
Secrets, so many secrets…..again!
UPDATE December 14, 2016 about 12:30 PM MT
My exchange (substantive excerpts) of December 13, 2016 with one of the primary supporters of the demonstrations in Cleburne, AL in support of Christian & Danielle Holm.
Jonathan has since deleted the exchange.
Jonathan Payton FaceBook Page:
Jonathan Payton Group:
1. From Robert Baty
Thanks for the add to the group.
I was attracted to the story today after Ernie Land, in a YouTube video broadcaast by Rudy Davis (aka LoneStar1776), claimed, somewhat cryptically, that Brady Byrum was involved in providing legal counsel to the Holms.
I have been trying to keep up with Brady Byrum recently as a result of his antics involving convicted federal felon Kent Hovind, who also happens to reside in Alabama these days.
I would like to get some confirmation, if possible, or denial, regarding Brady’s involvement, perhaps secretly, in the case.
You can hear Ernie’s comments about Brady and the Alabama baby snatching case at the time marked link to the video below:
2. From Jonathan Payton
We have decided not to disclose that information for fear of intimidation. Rest assured they are well versed in situations such as the one at hand.
3. From Robert Baty
I don’t know the baby situation that well; just read the one article on it after hearing Ernie touting Brady’s involvement.
If Brady is involved, I am assured that he’s up to no good and that it might hurt the case (though it might be great public relations for a certain segment of the public); which might explain why it is being kept secret, if it is.
4. From Jonathan Payton
Yeah but instead they kept the child, vaccinated, made the child miss out on all the antibodies from the mothers breast milk, missed out on 2 MONTHS of bonding, and stopped visitation altogether when confronted with their wrongdoings.
And all for what?
5. From Robert Baty
Are you saying that they were allowed visitation, possibly where that bonding could take place as well as the breastfeeding, at the beginning and then did something to have that withdrawn?
If so, what did they do to change things?
6. From Jonathan Payton
Sorry, Robert Baty, since the trial is still underway I don’t want to disclose any information that could harm the Holms in any way. Hopefully after tomorrow I can discuss it further!
7. From Robert Baty
Thanks for that feedback.
As you suggest, there is more here than some want to make known, and it just may be such things as would justify the State’s action or at least my skepticism.
As I noted earlier, I come to the case skeptical because of how it has been associated with the likes of Brady
Byrum ( whom I know a little about because of his association with Kent Hovind, convicted federal felon, tax cheat who sent his wife to prison, sovcit, and Baptist preacher) and I am quite unimpressed.
I will look forward to seeing the reports tomorrow.
8. From Jonathan Payton
Yeah some people seem to be bringing their outside grudges with others into a group that was setup with the intent of spreading the wrongdoings of DHR in this particular case, of which I assure you are plentiful!!!
Nothing but positivity coming from my end in this situation and I can’t wait to get to hold that baby myself tomorrow!
9. From Robert Baty
Would that be someone like me you are talking about, Jonathan Payton.
I don’t think your characterization is accurate or honest, considering you have repeatedly said you know more
about the case and what is going on than you are willing to reveal.
And you even suggest a reason for that; it would “hurt” your cause.
It’s a strange case, but it may not be so strange if the facts were to fully revealed, and maybe tomorrow’s
proceedings will allow for more of that.
Kent and Brady and their people helped put Shawn Stuller in prison for 20 years, and they are doing like you; blaming it all on someone else.
Keep your secrets if you will, but you would do well not to try and make your veiled attacks on me for daring to openly and honestly discuss the issues.
In the legal realm, when, as here, a person has information that could easily be provided and is not, it may be assumed it is not because it hurts the person’s cause.
Time will tell, maybe!
10. From Jonathan Payton
Yes I am talking about you, Robert Baty.
To come into a group that is established with the sole purpose to shed light into all the corruption DHR has done in this case and then try and turn it into some personal grudge you have against somebody else.
You obviously like to argue with people since that is all your website is about!
How about using some of that energy to spread a little positivity in the world.
11. From Robert Baty
You repeat your false and/or misleading claims, and that
is no positive; your preference for secrets is also not positive.
It’s your place, and you can run it as you see fit.
I appreciate your demonstrations.
It’s easy to allege corruption at the DHS while, by your own
apparent admission, keeping secret information that might
show your case is without merit or is not quite what you are
making it out to be.
What was that you were promoting regarding our “rule of law”.
I’m all for it, and that is why I am skeptical about such promotions
as you are making here while, admittedly, keeping secret the
details that might expose your exaggerations and, just maybe,
your false charges.
I can wait to see how the case develops.
Thanks again for your demonstrations in support of my approach
to evaluating what is going on with that case.
Unable to post comment. (Jonathan revoked my membership)
UPDATE December 15, 2016 about 3:00 PM MT
It appears Jonathan Payton is still playing his game of secrecy as he continues to refuse to report on what he knows is going on in Heflin, AL, Clerburne County, regarding the Baby Holm proceedings, demonstrations, and the promoters called to woo the crowd of demonstrators.
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UPDATE December 17, 2016
Still no indication that the parents are doing anything constructive so as to result in the return of their child. No details as to what has really been going on that has resulted in the delay in resolving the custody issue. Claims in post today are inconsistent with picture of baby from visitation referenced.
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UPDATE December 17, 2016 2:00 PM MT
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UPDATE December 17, 2016 5:10 PM MT
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It was reported that, earlier this year, Christian & Danielle Holm, parents of Baby Holm, traveled from Mobile, AL to Cheaha State Park, AL where the current controversy began.
So, how long did they stay with Kent and Brady on Kent’s compound in Conecuh County, AL near Lenox; and hone their sovcit and anti-vaxx theology?
Gotta wonder if that isn’t part of the story and part of what the FBI is investigating.
UPDATE December 19, 2016 9:25 PM MT
From the program description:
In this episode of “Bringing Voices To Power”
Robert Baty offers a different perspective to FBI
Investigates Baby Kidnapped from couple in
Alabama Who Declined Birth Certificate and SSN.
Robert’s main perspective is the apparent secret
involvement by Kent Hovind‘s man Brady Byrum
and their effort to turn the event into a showcase
for silliness which may have been the main
contributing factor as to why the case was not
UPDATE December 20, 2016
Notice my name in the above advertisement for the program. She show host and producer both had my full name and chose not to use it. And now it seems some are not able to handle that; especially Jonathan Payton who again demonstrates a little cowardice, as indicated by the image below:
UPDATE December 20, 2016 8:45 PM MT
I cannot believe the message below really reflects what is up with Christian Holm and/or Danielle Holm. It does, for me, reflect they have not been doing what is necessary to affect the return of the child in the most expedient manner and are likely, along with their sovcit friends, responsible for the predicament which they find themselves in. As with all good sovcits, Christian is calling on the Sheriff to fix things, and that, apparently is the result of the chatter in the #freebabyholm group, and who knows where else, alleging the Sheriff can do it and that he is the highest authority in the county.
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UPDATE December 22, 2016 7:45 PM MT – ORDER in the FEDERAL CASE
The text is also posted below in the comments section.
UPDATE December 23, 2016 – 8:10 AM MT
In support of the above claim regarding what the cowardly Jonathan Payton had to say, see following graphic:
UPDATE December 23, 2016
Link to what appears to be a bonafide recording of Christian & Danielle Holm dealing with the DHS over visitation and proving why, in part, they do not have custody of the child:
UPDATE December 24, 2016 5:00 PM MT
From the Heflin, AL street demonstrations, courtesy Jonathan Payton.
UPDATE December 25, 2016 7:00 PM MT
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UPDATE December 26, 2016 12:30 PM MT
Tim Holmes has kept up the sovcit silliness on the #freebabyholm group this morning, posting the following.
Link to #freebabyholm thread:
Link to Tim Holmes page:
Someone might advise their Court they are a municipal Court thus a corporate court, With No Contract they are harming this family and can’t provide Jurisdiction since corporate entities are NOT an actual man/woman thus feel no loses , no pain, can’t stand legally in a court to testify to any Complaint, oh and for the Record our Constitution guarantees “Right to Counsel” meaning anyone you wish may stand to assist, you don’t want them playing Lawyer and playing their games, Learn what Pro Per is, stand as such, demand they prove Jurisdiction, then its game Over!
See Marc Stevens videos on YouTube , many people following as they prove nationwide that no one needs a License to Travel, Its simply illegal what these municipal Corporate courts do to maintain that money vacuum
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UPDATE December 27, 2016 1:50 PM MT
See comments section below for complete transcription. Cowardly Jonathan Payton posted a message in the #FreeBabyHolm now closed FaceBook group explaining his treatment of me and that he was relinquishing control of the group to the baby’s parents.
UPDATE December 31, 2016 4:25 PM MT
UPDATE October 10, 2017 – Brady Byrum Shows Himself