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The following exchange has taken place via the comments section of the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59-V4oZNlew

(excerpts)

From mmmirele (aka Deana Holmes) – 11/17/2016

So Ernie, has Kent filed a federal tax return for 2015?

I would hope that Kent would be conventionally tax compliant now that he’s out of prison, and I believe that would include filing whatever version of a 1040 that would be required. I know he appeared at a number of venues in 2015 after he was out of jail and presumably received payment or honoraria. He has to report that as income and pay taxes on it. Please do not give me the dodge that he didn’t make enough money last year. I’m not that stupid.


From Doc Fog (aka Ernest Land) – 11/17/2016

Not that it’s anyone’s business, but yes, Kent did file a tax return.

He follows advice of an Attorney and a top 20 CPA firm.

And as a one time Attorney you know there are many ways to protect Kent and all his speaking engagements, intellectual properties, etc. are contractual to a for profit Corporation, so yes he can still maintain minimal income and maintain a “vow of poverty” which by the way is a term not solely for Catholic’s, because Kent is a ordained Baptist Minister who serves as Pastor of the CSE Church in Lenox, Alabama because the Board feels he is the called Pastor there and yes, with regular Church services meeting the guidelines of the definition you IRS people use, but also understanding the IRS has never defined Church with a legal definition, so we do so to avoid any unconstitutional conflict.

I think Brady Byrum nailed the Court and the IRS in his DVD series on their unconstitutional acts.


From Robert Baty – 11/19/2016

+Doc Fog (aka Ernie Land)

You wrote, in part:

– “I think Brady Byrum nailed the Court and the IRS in his DVD series on their unconstitutional acts.”

Surely, a man in your position knows what is going on with Kent’s and Brady’s apparent effort to scrub the Internet so as to remove all their promotions of that DVD set.

So, tell us already what you know about that.

See: http://kehvrlb.com/dr-dino-shut-up-by-the-batman

Otherwise, I have offered my rebuttal of what they showed as the foundation of their claims with the article at the following link:

http://kehvrlb.com/brady-byrum-kent-hovind-flat-out-wrong-on-form-4789


From Doc Fog (aka Ernest Land) November 20, 2016

The tactical reason we do what we will remain our move on the chess board, so you go figure.

I will say our new Attorney General has copy.

I stand with my statement Brady nailed it just as clearly as the American people woke up in the elections.

Things are about to change and you and all your cronies can get set for a change back to a U.S. Constitution being the law.


From mmmirele (aka Deana Holmes) November 20, 2016

Doc Fog rolls eyes whatever.

I think even Sessions would consider your sovereign citizen theories about seven bridges too far because it undermines the authoritarianism he wants to bring in.


From Robert Baty November 20, 2016

Bwahahahaha!

Doc Fog (aka Ernie Land) has nothing and can’t defend Brady’s and Kent’s bogus legal analysis which I have already rebutted.

Jeff Sessions ain’t going to be going to do anything to support Kent Hovind’s bogus claims.

However, it was certainly anticipated that Kent would try to latch on to Jeff Sessions, as is Kent’s typical tactic, to try and get himself some more narcissistic satisfaction by just possibly being noticed outside of his “echo chamber”.

Thanks for the laugh, Ernie.

Keep your big secrets a bit longer while I will continue to claim I have shut Kent up in contrast to Kent’s claim that he and Brady were going to shut me up.


From Robert Baty November 20, 2016

Jeff Sessions on Kent Hovind:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxvJfW1VIAEv6y4.jpg:large


From Doc Fog (aka Ernest Land) November 20, 2016

I guess that is why a Congressional committee blasted the IRS and the DOJ for abuse of structuring laws.

BAWHAHA


From Robert Baty November 20, 2016

Bwahahahaha!

More misdirection from Kent’s man!

They’ve only been told about 1,000 times that what was in the news was not what was at issue in Kent’s case.

It’s just another classic example of Kent straining to grasp any story getting more attention than him and try to tag along.

Kent and his people have been lying for a long time about structuring law and its application to Kent Hovind.


From Robert Baty November 20, 2016

Let me know, Ernie Land, if you, or any of your people, ever get any substantive response from Jeff Sessions, personally, that is different from my representation of his position.


From Robert Baty November 21, 2016

+Doc Fog (aka Ernie Land)

While Ernie tried to cover for what is going on with Kent and his false legal narrative and “Innocence DVD” scheme, suggesting it’s all part of some clever marketing scheme (we would not expect Kent to admit and I had shut him and Brady up in answer to their own claim to shut me up), another flagship website of Kent’s has gone poof. Randy Dunn had this to say about that:

(Begin quote.)

Shawn spoke of ‘scorched earth’. Apparently, something is going on for Hovind to delete everything regarding his rants of “I’m Innocent”. FreeKentHovind.Com is giving a ‘404’ error code, which means there is no content on the server.

This is not just an internet connection problem, the site has been removed.

YouTube Channel ‘Free Kent Hovind’ has ALL of its videos and content removed. The Kent Hovind documentaries claiming the whole world is persecuting him for the purposes of his brilliant exposure of the ‘evolution’ fraud are now gone from everywhere except a follower who has two of them mirrored and they are now private on Kent Hovind’s Official YouTube channel.

Obviously, Robert Baty is right, Hovind certainly didn’t manage to shut him up.

I also notice that many videos that mention Kent’s big surprise that blazed through the Repton sky and fizzled are now missing. But, I’m going through my archives to see just what I saved.

I am proud to say that I am positive that the young man who told his folks he was going on vacation in Florida only to be whisked to Jonestown, uh, Repton by the Hovind crew still has a copy of Kent happily promoting his “I’m an Innocent Narcissist” while explaining that people can sign an affidavit to DEMAND the impeachment of Judge Margaret Rogers and prosecutors, etc.

I’m happy to say that I have preserved this and I will edit the part out to preserve it for eternity on my YouTubeChannel AND KentHovindUnofficial.Com (In case YouTube has a problem with it). We wouldn’t want a single word from this prophet’s mouth to be lost for historical purposes.

Plus, they can also relax because I have downloaded the ENTIRE FreeKentHovind.Com website for just such as reason (Plus the fact that it is full of libel.). I will be happy to keep reminding people on a weekly basis the classical writings of brilliance that permeated that website.

Now, the question remains.

What EXACTLY would cause Kent to remove everything and not say a word. NPD does not allow someone to do that and I’m certain that neither Kent’s wife, nor Ernie Land could convince Hovind to SHUT UP when he KNOWS he is right.

Could the fact that Kent is STILL on probation have anything to do with this and the B.O.P. is finally fed up with the campaigning while still under their sweet care?

Or, maybe a big investor has said “Enough is enough . . . do you want your retirement paid for or not?”

We do know that, according to Kent, one investor already left because of Kent’s marriage to Tocco only months after Kent said he would keep trying to win his wife back.

One thing is for sure, Robert gets the last laugh at WHO got shut up!

Thoughts?

(End quote.)

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UPDATE November 22, 2016

Peter J. Reilly reports Ernie Land’s claims regarding such things in a blog entry today at:

https://ytmp.blogspot.com/2016/11/father-kent-hovind-sj-not-so-much.html

(Begin excerpts)

You can read Baty’s theories on the subject if you want, but I think I have the straight dope from Ernie Land who wrote me.

Brady Byrum interviewed Dr. Kent Hovind intensively for weeks as an investigative reporter. After getting all the facts relating to Dr. Hovind’s case Brady Byrum has prepared a very well researched DVD series proving with case law Dr. Hovind’s innocence. The timing could not be more perfect as it seems this election has proven American’s have awaken to the excessive abuse in Politics,  Government and in our Judicial system as well. Many of us felt the Judge was very biased and even overreached in an effort to discriminate against Christians. The DVD series Kent Hovind Innocent revels all those abuses with case law and the real reason codes were made in Congress to prove Dr. Hovind’s innocence. The Ministry and Creation Science Evangelism appreciates Brady exposing these truths. With that said we however do not wish to put Dr. Hovind in jeopardy and have made a decision to have Brady market any production third party to us.

Another development that may or may not be related is that freekenthovind.com is down.

Ernie did not have any information on that.

He told me that he knows somebody who knows somebody who runs the site, but that is it.

(End excerpts.)

You can go to Peter’s page and comments following for my challenge to Peter/Ernie regarding those matters. *


I had some time, so here are the relevant comments from Ernie and me from Peter’s blog page referenced above:

Peter, you quoted Ernie as writing regarding the “Innocence DVD” scheme, in part:

– “With that said we however do not wish to put
– Dr. Hovind in jeopardy and have made a decision
– to have Brady market any production third party
– to us.”

If you know what that means, please explain it to me.

Regardless of what that means, Ernie’s comments do nothing to rebut my claim to having “shut Kent up” regarding that matter while it was Kent claiming that Brady and his team were going to “shut Baty up”.

It also seems to support the proposition that Kent’s probation officer may have warned him he risked having his Supervised Release revoked if he continued such antics.

Ernie has no good reason not to tell us clearly what he knows about these things, and the reasons he has for keeping his secrets are not good.

Ernie and Kent, among others, have a lot to answer for, but I’ll try to keep to some simple, easy to resolve matters.

For instance, you bring up the topic of lying.

I have, effectively, accused Kent Hovind of flat out lying on at least one recent occasion; that of his claim that he applied for a sentence reduction (i.e., early termination of his Supervised Release).

Kent even asked for his people to pray that it be granted.

I wrote an article about it at:

Did Kent Hovind Lie About Applying for a Sentence Reduction?

I would we could get this matter resolved, but you make no mention of asking Ernie about it.

Put it on your list of things to ask about next time, if you will.

For now, I’m marking it down as a flat out lie from the mouth of Kent Hovind. I hope, like you, Kent can still like me even if I have caught him in that lie.

Peter, how about this also.

You wrote, in part, regarding Ernie and the FreeKentHovind.com website:

– “Another development that may or may not be
– related is that freekenthovind.com is down.
– Ernie did not have any information on that.
– He told me that he knows somebody who knows
– somebody who runs the site, but that is it.”

Randy Dunn recently wrote about that, in part:

– “Well, I know he (Ernie Land) was (involved)
– because he was the administrator of ‘FreekentHovind’
– Don’t ask how this electronic engineer who worked
– for the government could figure that one out.”

Would Ernie lie or withhold information about his connections to the site?

Probably.

Could Randy have gotten wrong.
Yes.

Maybe we’ll hear more about that.
Maybe not.

OK, Peter, let’s consider your quote of Ernie which was, in part:

– “Brady Byrum interviewed Dr. Kent Hovind intensively
– for weeks as an investigative reporter. After getting
– all the facts relating to Dr. Hovind’s case Brady Byrum
– has prepared a very well researched DVD series proving
– with case law Dr. Hovind’s innocence.”

That could easily be considered just false.

It’s laughable that such terms as “forensic legal researcher” and “investigative reporter” are used to describe Brady Byrum.

There is no evidence that Brady ever wanted or obtained “all the relevant facts” regarding Kent’s 2006 case, and his “Innocence DVD Series” does nothing to show Kent’s innocence.

The DVD Series does, however, do a very good job of showing Brady Byrum as an incompetent reporter and researcher.

As implied above, I have already rebutted the foundational claim originally presented by Kent and Brady.

See:

http://kehvrlb.com/brady-byrum-kent-hovind-flat-out-wrong-on-form-4789

Hello Peter. I value my time and even though all these liars infuriate me I often hold my peace as not to throw my pearls before the swine.

Some lies do need rebutting as Baty has often been rebutted about his lies on BioPerformance fuel product being proven in an EPA certified lab in Texas, and therefore the Texas AG had to settle the case because the product proved itself in an EPA certified Lab and because the MLM program proved not to be a scam or Ponzi scheme.

More lies in promoting I was the administrator of the freekenthovind.com site, just flat out a lie, in fact I have never known for a fact who did administrate it because they go by a code name.

So I had input like this input here, but zero control.

Brady has interviewed Kent for more than a year.

That said out BAR licensed Attorney points out it is good solid research with great facts in support of Kent’s innocence, but the timing is just not right now.

Even the higher authorities we have contact with have asked us to hold our peace for a time and let them work the system because this research is good for all of America to reinstall our Constitution as the correct and highest law of this land.

They have this “innocence” video, and we are exercising our rights.

I notice you feel the new precedent has offset the older precedent.

I disagree and even go so far as to have an opinion precedent, though used often, is often unconstitutional.

Why?

Because the Judicial system is to apply the written law, not redefine the English language to set new and bad precedent.

As in 200 years of “marriage”, being unlawfully redefined, but that will be for a new Supreme Court to correct.

I still use the Constitutional right to counsel being defined unlawfully by most lower Courts as a BAR Attorney. A case I have won in several Courts because it is a point no Judge or Attorney can argue without bad precedent and one easily beaten in the higher Courts because the Constitution says right to counsel of your choice and when the Constitution was written it was nearly a 100 years later before there was even a American Bar Association, so therefore our foreFathers could never have met it to be BAR Attorney only.

The Judicial system can’t stand that being brought into the light, just as much as Baty hates us showing his lies.

Typical Ernie Land, daring to accuse me of the specialty that he and his people (i.e., Kent Hovind) consistently engage in; lying.

And, of course, he already is executing his exit strategy here because, as we have seen so many times before, he has no intention of openly, honestly engaging in a discussion of substantive matters regarding Kent Hovind’s legal/tax and related problems.

Of course the time is not ripe for Ernie and Kent and Brady and the Bunch.

Kent has already, repeatedly, admitted to facts which show that he was guilty as charged, tried and convicted in 2006.

As I said before, Ernie has no good reason for the course he has taken and the secrets he is keeping.

Maybe it will work out for him and Kent.
Maybe not.

I’m still ready to start the negotiations with Kent for a discussion of his legal/tax and related issues he has been making public for years. There are currently 64 propositions to consider in my list, though #2 is still on the top of my preference list and even Kent says that is the one that is fundamental to understanding his legal problems.

Come on out Kent, or send me your Champion.
Or not.

See: http://kehvrlb.com/kent-hovind-v-robert-baty-the-challenge-in-64-propositions

P.S.

Nothing Ernie added does anything to deny me the claim to having “shut Kent up” after he was boldly claiming that he and sidekick Brady were going to “shut Baty up”.

Kent could write yet another book just detailing how, over the years, I have affected the way he operates; but he won’t.

Some of Ernie’s lies from his above message:

1.

Some lies do need rebutting as Baty has often been rebutted about his lies on BioPerformance fuel product being proven in an EPA certified lab in Texas, and therefore the Texas AG had to settle the case because the product proved itself in an EPA certified Lab and because the MLM program proved not to be a scam or Ponzi scheme.

2.

I still use the Constitutional right to counsel being defined unlawfully by most lower Courts as a BAR Attorney. A case I have won in several Courts because it is a point no Judge or Attorney can argue without bad precedent and one easily beaten in the higher Courts because the Constitution says right to counsel of your choice and when the Constitution was written it was nearly a 100 years later before there was even a American Bar Association, so therefore our foreFathers could never have met it to be BAR Attorney only. The Judicial system can’t stand that being brought into the light, just as much as Baty hates us showing his lies.

Another Ernie Evasion:

Kent Hovind groomed his people for weeks announcing that he was going to ask for a sentence reduction as soon as possible (i.e., after a year into his 3 years of Supervised Release).

Then Kent announced he had applied for the sentence reduction (i.e., early termination of his Supervised Release).

Then Kent asked his people to pray that it be granted.

What did Ernie have to say about that?

I saw nothing, nada, zip!

Why is that?

Was it a flat-out lie from the mouth of Kent Hovind?

Seems like it to me?

Is Ernie going to claim he “knows nothing” about that as well?
Or, will Ernie, like Kent, simply “shut up” about it?

I have long been challenging the anonymous and cowardly accusers behind the FreeKentHovind.com website to come out and face me and deal with the substantive issues involving Kent Hovind’s legal/tax and related matters and their charges against me.

Cowardly and anonymous they remain, with Ernie Land to cover for them.

Despite the speculations, I have made it clear that I don’t know who actually operates the site or writes their libelous articles.

And Ernie now makes clear that he knows more than he is willing to tell.

For all Ernie knows, he was electronically identifiable as an administrator of that site, as Randy Dunn, not me, claims to have determined.

And, considering, one might expect Ernie Land not to know about that and to deny having been involved directly with the operation of that page.

In the bigger picture, it may not matter that much. Ernie Land is a sufficiently involved co-conspirator that he is as guilty as any of the others regarding such matters.

Maybe Randy will make his appearance and explain the details of how he determined that Ernie was electronically identifiable as an administrator of that site and of others (i.e, Theodore).

Come to think of it, if Theo is serious about cashing in on the religion business like Kent, as was announced, Theo may have found it to his advantage, coincidentally enough, to get rid of that site that could be traced to him and his UNgodly antics.

Ernie and Kent and their people are so good at spouting silliness like the following, so I don’t mind challenging them on it.

Ernie wrote, in part:

– “…our BAR licensed Attorney points out it
– is good solid research with great facts in
– support of Kent’s innocence, but the timing
– is just not right now.”

and

– “Even the higher authorities we have contact
– with have asked us to hold our peace for a
– time and let them work the system because this
– research is good for all of America to reinstall
– our Constitution as the correct and highest law
– of this land.”

My challenge:

There has been no legitimate legal review of Brady’s work such as Ernie suggests and if there ever is one there won’t be any bonafide legal authority who supports what is already known about Brady’s attempt at a legal analysis relevant to the Kent Hovind 2006 case.

There are no legitimate, informed, “higher authorities” giving Ernie and Kent such advice as Ernie claims.

I welcome Ernie’s effort to prove me wrong in challenging those claims, and I do not fear my positions will ever be rebutted.

I’m not much of a BioPerformance hobbiest, but since Ernie brought it up, here’s a 2006 article (from shortly before Kent got himself arrested as I recall) about the matter, including a segment on Ernie’s involvement in the scheme.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/running-on-fumes-6378697

Yes, “mothballs” are mentioned in the article!
And various lab results!

As I recall, Ernie likes to brag about paying $10,000,000.00 to settle that case and keep everyone out of jail; or something like that.

And how about considering one of Ernie’s more subtle, recurring lies!

Ernie wrote, in relevant part:

– “…the Constitution says
– right to counsel of your choice…”

However, the 6th Amendment doesn’t actually say that, or mean what Ernie Land claims it means.

6th Amendment Text (relevant):

– “In all criminal prosecutions,
– the accused shall enjoy the right…
– …to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.”

Ernie has never gotten over his previous losses to me in our “debates”, including our debate over the 6th Amendment.

Now, consider his misdirection above where he writes, in relevant part:

– “Our fore-Fathers could never have
– meant it (6th Amendment right to
– counsel) to be BAR attorneys only.”

Of course, that is not the issue, and Ernie knows or should know that it is not the issue.

Our fore-fathers knew people like Ernie should not be allowed in a courtroom to represent criminal defendants because he is quite the incompetent when it comes to such things, as he has demonstrated over and over and over again in trying to defend Kent Hovind’s criminal activities.

Following is what I provided to Ernie earlier, and it’s from our fore-fathers who knew people like Ernie should not be allowed to represent criminal defendants. Ernie just ran and ran and he’s still running from this bit of history that shows him to be the liar regarding the 6th Amendment.

(Begin references and quote.)

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Maury_and_Baty/conversations/messages/34265

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/judiciary_1789.htm

(excerpt)

SEC. 35. And be it further enacted,
That in all courts of the United States,
the parties may plead and manage their own causes personally
or by assistance of such counsel or attorneys at law
as by the rules of the said courts respectively shall be permitted to manage and conduct causes therein.

APPROVED ,
September 24, 1789.

(End excerpt.)

(End references and quote.)

Could it be that what Ernie describes as a “code name” is “RacerX”, the handle that Theodore Valenzuela, Kent’s erstwhile IT man and webpage designer, used?

@ Samphire

I notice that Ernie also said above, in part:

– “I had input like this input here.”

Under the circumstances, I think that might reasonably be considered a voluntary, un-coerced, freewill confession of guilt as to Ernie’s involvement with and influence/control (input=control) regarding the course the FreeKentHovind.com site took.

Will we ever know the full extent of the Hovind/Land involvement with that site.

Not likely.

And that’s the way they want it; secrets, so many sinister secrets regarding what they have been up to and how they do what they do.

(Ernie’s statements highlighted)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  “I value my time and even though all these liars infuriate me I often hold my peace as not to throw my pearls before the swine.“

Swine? Is this the language we should expect from some-one who claims to be a born-again Christian?

“Some lies do need rebutting as Baty has often been rebutted about his lies on BioPerformance fuel product being proven in an EPA certified lab in Texas,”

If the claimed efficacy of the napthalene had been “proven” as Ernie disingenously claims then BP would have been happy to release the report. But it refused to do so leaving us to draw our own conclusions.

“and therefore the Texas AG had to settle the case because the product proved itself in an EPA certified Lab and because the MLM program proved not to be a scam or Ponzi scheme.”

Of course it was a scam. Otherwise, why was the product not sold more cheaply and efficiently through normal channels – like gas stations? Moth balls don’t cost $1 each in the real mrket place. It was such a scam that BP had to claim that the moth ball only contained 1% napthalene (or its related compound) whereas the true figure was 99%. If it wasn’t a scam why did BP (and Ernie was a senior executive within the organisation) feel it necessary to lie about its product?

“More lies in promoting I was the administrator of the freekenthovind.com site, just flat out a lie, in fact I have never known for a fact who did administrate it because they go by a code name.”

In the same way that the self-confessed genius Kent never thought to ask Mooneyhan or Stoll why they advised him strongly not to take out of the bank more than $10k before lunchtime. Ignorance is bliss.

“So I had input like this input here, but zero control.”

No-one is accusing Ernie of having control but, as (supposedly) the controlling director of the two enterprises for which the retired Kent does not work, he certainly has influence. If Ernie hasn’t sought to exercise such influence then he is as morally culpable for #FreeKentHovind’s excesses as though he was the author. It is noted that Ernie doesn’t reveal the “code name” of the person behind the website. I suggest it is “RacerX” but I may be mistaken. Perhaps Ernie would confirm.

“Brady has interviewed Kent for more than a year.”

A year? A couple of hours is all it would take. But Kent won’t allow any cross-examination and I doubt that Byrum’s questions were very searching.

“That said out BAR licensed Attorney points out it is good solid research with great facts in support of Kent’s innocence, but the timing is just not right now.”

Of course, it isn’t. Doubtless, we need to wait till the newly appointed future Attorney General takes office in the New Year. Let’s hope he doesn’t read the court transcript before coming to a decision.

@ Samphire

In a related matter, I just noticed that Rudy Davis, Kent’s #1 YouTube promoter and Shawn Stuller, Kent’s #1 jail house convert, are frantic tonight as it appears Shawn has been placed in disciplinary confinement.

It’s something, reportedly, about Rudy’s and Erin’s promoting Shawn on YouTube and FaceBook.

Maybe they will get it cleared up.
Maybe not.

In the video, Shawn notes that it just so happens that Barbara Bryson, Shawn’s SJW “sugar momma” from Massachusetts is scheduled to fly down to visit Shawn tomorrow.

Shawn says he has talked to her and she is going to talk to authorities when she gets there.

Shawn also cries out to Rudy to help convince authorities it’s all Rudy’s and Erin’s doing and not anything he has done wrong.

Peter is in Massachusetts, and I earlier asked him to check up on Barbara Bryson who appears also to work out of Massachusetts and does her SJW work through what Shawn has labeled a “Crusaders for Christ” operation out of Foxboro, MA.

No word from Peter yet on what he has found out; if anything.

Here’s the link to the video, time marked for the comments about Barbara Bryson:

https://youtu.be/xuKyCxJCZpI?t=3m25s


Link to my related article on Davis video referenced above:

http://kehvrlb.com/barbara-bryson-returning-to-visit-shawn-stuller

Randy Dunn is having some trouble getting messages posted here, and so has asked me to post the following information in response to Ernie claiming he has/had no administrative connection to the FreeKentHovind.com website.

This is, reportedly, from the security printout for the page:

– Warning User Enumeration is possible
– User ID and login for Administration
– ID User Login
– ID User Login
– 1 freekent freekent
– 2 Ernie Land ernieland

I think that last line is the reported connection to Ernie.

Alas, it looks like Ernie has already run-off from this important, public discussion.

Maybe he will come back and explain, in detail, what he really knows about that website and his connections thereto.

Maybe not.



(To Be Continued……….Maybe)


Related Article: http://kehvrlb.com/dr-dino-shut-up-by-the-batman


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