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Link to where it all started on June 25, 2020:

There are too many posts in the above thread and the related Twitter thread(s) to easily mirror here, so I suggest those interested in further details to go visit those links.

The Twitter link to Steve McRae’s opening salvo is:

The graphic opening post of the above looks like:

The above tweet was made by Steve McRae after he got upset and checked himself out of the Kent Hovind’s Worst Nightmare FaceBook group referenced in the earlier link above.

In the thread there, the following posts were made that started the controversy:

Did Steve McRae say, or imply substantively, that his training was equal to an earned, advanced degree?

I (Robert Baty) don’t know!

Get it?

I (Robert Baty) don’t know!

It’s a simple enough matter and, in my opinion, provides an excellent exercise in considering how such trivial issues might be dealt with and how one might “reason” regarding such a contested issue.

My impression is that Steve McRae and his people “seem” to think that readers should accept the disputed claim as false simply because Steve McRae says so.


That’s not how reason and logic work in such cases, though folks are welcome to accept Steve McRae’s testimony as determinative in rendering their opinion of the claim as false.

Randy Dunn has his own testimony for consideration as well.  Some might just as easily accept Randy’s testimony as determinative in rendering their opinion of the claim as true.

I (Robert Baty) don’t know if it’s true or false!

Get it!

I (Robert Baty) don’t know if it’s true or false!

Steve McRae and those on his side of the controversy are “seemingly” hung up on notions of evidence.  They have repeatedly tried to emphasize that, without more than Randy’s testimony, Randy’s testimony should be rejected.

Rejecting the testimony of Randy Dunn does not affect whether or not the claim is true of false.

Ultimately, evidence beyond Randy Dunn’s testimony may be provided.  That could establish Randy’s claim as true.

However, lack of any evidence to establish the truth of the claim doesn’t make the claim false.

Maybe the claim is true.

Maybe not.

Did I mention that I don’t know whether or not it’s true or false!


There’s been a tremendous about of banter via Steve McRae’s Twitter feed, with Steve being assisted by many of his ardent supporters.  Alas, this particular exchange I thought worthy of note.

Maybe we’ll have that one-on-one.

Maybe not.

Link reference in my above tweet:

Steve McRae has now blocked me on FaceBook!

Steve McRae has now blocked me from Twitter!

Well, that should allow me to bring my part in that circus to a close, with Steve McRae officially on the run from the one-on-one that has been proposed.

Earlier, Steve McRae mentioned in a tweet that he had offered to have me on one of his shows to talk about Kent Hovind.  He never got it together; claiming his developing legal problems prevented him from producing that show.  Here is a screenshot about Steve’s initial contact about that.

So, now I just learn that Steve McCrae also went whining to his FaceBook audience about the matter (where I cannot respond because he blocked me).  Following is the link to the thread and the posts in that thread from Steve.  Other posts did not warrant copying here, for now.


Update June 27, 2020

Nate Broady has broadcast this morning; talking about Steve McRae and all of that!


It was a “free fire zone” yesterday at the Curmudgeon’s place, and so I asked about this McRae thing.  Dave Luckett had what I thought was a thoughtful reply.

Some have expressed concern as to just what Steve McRae might take up as a subject if we were to get together for an exchange of ideas (i.e., debate) as to these important public issues.  So, I posted the following to Twitter as a suggestion.


The following exchange took place on Twitter a few minutes ago, on my Twitter page.  It shows the flat out lying by Steve McRae’s people that I have been dealing with the last few days.  “Helios” was responding to my posting of the above debate proposal graphic.


Update June 29, 2020

Steve has quite an army of maroons out running interference for him!

Mr. Not-so-Serious’ Twitter Page Link

1. I now have reason not to believe that claim.

2. He has failed regarding the McRae/Baty Controversy.

3. He refused to exploit that opportunity.

4. I now have reason not to believe that claim.


Someone suggested a short summary of the matter, but I did not agree that the 4-5 points were a proper summary.  Upon further inquiry and to be responsive, I prepared my own summary as shown below.

Summary by Robert Baty:

Randy Dunn wrote:

“Steve McCrae claimed his 18 months training was equal to a Ph.D. in science.”

Steve McRae wrote to Randy:

“You are 100% lying.”

Steve McRae wrote to me about Randy:

“Ask him for evidence or remove this guy from group.”

Steve McRae wrote to Randy:

“If you don’t show us evidence he should remove you.”

Steve McRae wrote to Randy:

“So no evidence…you are lying.”

Steve McRae wrote to me:

“He is absolutely lying.”

Steve McRae wrote to me:

“Do we allow people to make false claims and lie in here???”

Steve McRae wrote on his page:

“Someone in a group makes a blatantly false claim about me.”

Steve McRae wrote on his page:

“(T)he admin response is they can’t often tell who is telling the truth?”

Steve McRae wrote on his page:

“None of them cared about evidence. It is what ever they can lie about.”

So, if Steve McRae ever comes out of hiding and agrees to face me and deal with his problems in this matter, this is where I have proposed we start our discussion:


June 30, 2020

(Time marks 00:00:20, 00:10:15, & 00:12:55)


July 1, 2020

2005 Bankruptcy Filing by Steven H. McRae

McRae Steven H 2005 Bankruptcy

Steve, today, has also announced his new venture, joint venture with Fazale Rana of Reasons to Believe.

YouTube Introduction

FaceBook Page

My Suggestion Illustrated


Update July 2, 2020

In a Twitter thread started by Agrippa, Fazale Rana made an appearance and I responded as shown below:

Fazale Rana has just started promoting on FaceBook his venture with Steve McRae, so I posted a response/inquiry there.

Additional Comments Added to Fazale’s Thread:




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