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Originally posted June 26, 2020
by Robert Baty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Link to where it all started on June 25, 2020:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/kenthovindsworstnightmare/permalink/1582767278559062/

There are too many posts in the above thread and the related Twitter thread(s) to easily mirror here, so I suggest those interested in further details to go visit those links.

The Twitter link to Steve McRae’s opening salvo is:

https://twitter.com/SteveMcRae_/status/1276361923055894528

The graphic opening post of the above looks like:

The above tweet was made by Steve McRae after he got upset and checked himself out of the Kent Hovind’s Worst Nightmare FaceBook group referenced in the earlier link above.

In the thread there, the following posts were made that started the controversy:

Did Steve McRae say, or imply substantively, that his training was equal to an earned, advanced degree?

I (Robert Baty) don’t know!

Get it?

I (Robert Baty) don’t know!

It’s a simple enough matter and, in my opinion, provides an excellent exercise in considering how such trivial issues might be dealt with and how one might “reason” regarding such a contested issue.

My impression is that Steve McRae and his people “seem” to think that readers should accept the disputed claim as false simply because Steve McRae says so.

Nope!

That’s not how reason and logic work in such cases, though folks are welcome to accept Steve McRae’s testimony as determinative in rendering their opinion of the claim as false.

Randy Dunn has his own testimony for consideration as well.  Some might just as easily accept Randy’s testimony as determinative in rendering their opinion of the claim as true.

I (Robert Baty) don’t know if it’s true or false!

Get it!

I (Robert Baty) don’t know if it’s true or false!

Steve McRae and those on his side of the controversy are “seemingly” hung up on notions of evidence.  They have repeatedly tried to emphasize that, without more than Randy’s testimony, Randy’s testimony should be rejected.

Rejecting the testimony of Randy Dunn does not affect whether or not the claim is true of false.

Ultimately, evidence beyond Randy Dunn’s testimony may be provided.  That could establish Randy’s claim as true.

However, lack of any evidence to establish the truth of the claim doesn’t make the claim false.

Maybe the claim is true.

Maybe not.

Did I mention that I don’t know whether or not it’s true or false!

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There’s been a tremendous about of banter via Steve McRae’s Twitter feed, with Steve being assisted by many of his ardent supporters.  Alas, this particular exchange I thought worthy of note.

Maybe we’ll have that one-on-one.

Maybe not.

Link reference in my above tweet:

http://kehvrlb.com/steve-mcrae-v-robert-baty

Steve McRae has now blocked me on FaceBook!

Steve McRae has now blocked me from Twitter!

Well, that should allow me to bring my part in that circus to a close, with Steve McRae officially on the run from the one-on-one that has been proposed.

Earlier, Steve McRae mentioned in a tweet that he had offered to have me on one of his shows to talk about Kent Hovind.  He never got it together; claiming his developing legal problems prevented him from producing that show.  Here is a screenshot about Steve’s initial contact about that.

So, now I just learn that Steve McCrae also went whining to his FaceBook audience about the matter (where I cannot respond because he blocked me).  Following is the link to the thread and the posts in that thread from Steve.  Other posts did not warrant copying here, for now.

https://www.facebook.com/steveaskanything/posts/10217035382423029

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Update June 27, 2020

Nate Broady has broadcast this morning; talking about Steve McRae and all of that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2loyII9-kA

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It was a “free fire zone” yesterday at the Curmudgeon’s place, and so I asked about this McRae thing.  Dave Luckett had what I thought was a thoughtful reply.

https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2020/06/26/indescribable-free-fire-zone/

Some have expressed concern as to just what Steve McRae might take up as a subject if we were to get together for an exchange of ideas (i.e., debate) as to these important public issues.  So, I posted the following to Twitter as a suggestion.

https://twitter.com/BatyvHovind/status/1277037094020374529

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The following exchange took place on Twitter a few minutes ago, on my Twitter page.  It shows the flat out lying by Steve McRae’s people that I have been dealing with the last few days.  “Helios” was responding to my posting of the above debate proposal graphic.

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Update June 29, 2020

https://www.facebook.com/groups/kenthovindsworstnightmare/permalink/1586156878220102/

Steve has quite an army of maroons out running interference for him!

https://twitter.com/All_Mr_Serious/status/1277661741648883715

Mr. Not-so-Serious’ Twitter Page Link

https://twitter.com/All_Mr_Serious

1. I now have reason not to believe that claim.

2. He has failed regarding the McRae/Baty Controversy.

3. He refused to exploit that opportunity.

4. I now have reason not to believe that claim.

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Someone suggested a short summary of the matter, but I did not agree that the 4-5 points were a proper summary.  Upon further inquiry and to be responsive, I prepared my own summary as shown below.

Summary by Robert Baty:

Randy Dunn wrote:

“Steve McCrae claimed his 18 months training was equal to a Ph.D. in science.”

Steve McRae wrote to Randy:

“You are 100% lying.”

Steve McRae wrote to me about Randy:

“Ask him for evidence or remove this guy from group.”

Steve McRae wrote to Randy:

“If you don’t show us evidence he should remove you.”

Steve McRae wrote to Randy:

“So no evidence…you are lying.”

Steve McRae wrote to me:

“He is absolutely lying.”

Steve McRae wrote to me:

“Do we allow people to make false claims and lie in here???”

Steve McRae wrote on his page:

“Someone in a group makes a blatantly false claim about me.”

Steve McRae wrote on his page:

“(T)he admin response is they can’t often tell who is telling the truth?”

Steve McRae wrote on his page:

“None of them cared about evidence. It is what ever they can lie about.”

So, if Steve McRae ever comes out of hiding and agrees to face me and deal with his problems in this matter, this is where I have proposed we start our discussion:

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June 30, 2020

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1nAKEANAbkeKL

(Time marks 00:00:20, 00:10:15, & 00:12:55)

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July 1, 2020

2005 Bankruptcy Filing by Steven H. McRae

McRae Steven H 2005 Bankruptcy

Steve, today, has also announced his new venture, joint venture with Fazale Rana of Reasons to Believe.

YouTube Introduction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwpXBVyjTig

FaceBook Page

https://www.facebook.com/agreetoargue/

My Suggestion Illustrated

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Update July 2, 2020

In a Twitter thread started by Agrippa, Fazale Rana made an appearance and I responded as shown below:

https://twitter.com/RichardGrenvil5/status/1278735924512292865

Fazale Rana has just started promoting on FaceBook his venture with Steve McRae, so I posted a response/inquiry there.

Additional Comments Added to Fazale’s Thread:

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Update July 3, 2020

Another encounter with Fazale Rana.  Will he give an answer this time?

https://www.facebook.com/fuzrana/posts/10222902416859730

We know Steve’s position.

We know Fazale’s position.

Will they “agree to argue” the proposition?

Link to “Agree to Argue” YouTube channel:

Fazale Rana speaks, and I respond:

https://twitter.com/RTB_FRana/status/1279090927567437830

The followup from Fazale Rana:

https://www.facebook.com/fuzrana/posts/10222902416859730

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Update July 4, 2020

Fazale Rana, despite responding to other messages, did not respond to my specific inquiry about my representation of his position as to the Steve McRae proposition.  Therefore, I will consider that he has no objection to my representation and that he does, in fact, join with me in the “deny” position as to the McRae proposition.

https://twitter.com/RTB_FRana/status/1279090927567437830

I just noticed that Steve McRae appears to be, quite hypocritically, whining about me posting his bankruptcy filing above and whatever was said about that in the event I participated in last night.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/kenthovindsworstnightmare/permalink/1590877521081371/

Last night’s event where I spoke about these issues is archived at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ilsNEskak&t=4099s

Bwahahahahahaha!

The King and I!

I played Steve McRae’s game and beat him at it; so much so that he has gone into hiding.

https://youtu.be/_tkziI-aQC0?t=405

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOYI4eZzuk

Graphic from above referenced video:

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Update July 5, 2020

Another testimonial from the comments section below the video interview with Kyle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOYI4eZzuk

I had not planned on trying to talk to Hugh Ross of Reasons to Believe about this matter, but then I saw a thread on his page that seemed to hint at the new show.  So, I asked.

Link to Hugh Ross Thread

https://www.facebook.com/RTBHughRoss/posts/3075566335854783

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Update July 7, 2020

Steve McRae and his girl Cheshire are all over my case with lies and misrepresentation in a live broadcast still broadcasting as I post.  The screenshot below is only the brief beginning of what they broadcast about me and my run-in with Steve McRae on my group and the results.

Time Marked Link to Comments

https://youtu.be/2oGRwmEzL8U?t=6880

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGRwmEzL8U

The latest tweets from Hugh Ross’ Reasons to Believe:

https://twitter.com/RTB_official/status/1280669386634821633

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Update July 8, 2020

Not today!

Maybe next month!

Maybe not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgOVHOS8qEA

There was also this out today, from which I have created a relevant graphic.  The time marked link to Steve McRae’s comments follow:

https://youtu.be/eOf9jHbtOqU?t=130

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Update July 9, 2020

https://youtu.be/2oGRwmEzL8U?t=6930

https://youtu.be/2oGRwmEzL8U?t=7000

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Update July 13, 2020

Bwahahahaha!

I effectively disagree with Steve McRae and he blocked me, but the blocking was just a reflection of his inability, unwillingness to deal with some of his problems.  I have not blocked Steve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iG1XRPm8h8

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Update July 16, 2020

An interesting illustration of Steve McRae’s hypocrisy in this matter.

https://skepticsboot.blogspot.com/2019/10/steve-mcrae-and-rape-apologetics.html

From the article linked above:

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Update August 11, 2020

https://twitter.com/i/status/1276361923055894528

Time marked link to segment in YouTube video from which the above was taken:

https://youtu.be/UNg5yb1KbbY?t=975

McRae’s latest legal filing in his case against Kyle Curtis:

McRae Response to Curtis 08112020

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Update August 13, 2020

http://kehvrlb.com/steve-mcrae-v-robert-baty

 

My comments being mentioned in the video above, were in response to Steve McRae as posted by Menace2Sobriety as shown below:

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August 17, 2020

I had an extensive exchange with Steve McRae’s Australian money man, Glenn W. (aka Roohif), via Twitter, and I have archived much of that at the link below:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/kenthovindsworstnightmare/permalink/1631473317021791/

The above exchange records my invitation that Glenn come to my FaceBook group for the one-on-one he wanted.  He hasn’t showed up.

Link to outstanding one-on-one set up:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/kenthovindsworstnightmare/permalink/1631635593672230/

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Update August 18, 2020

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Update August 20, 2020

Peter J. Reilly has now weighed in on the McRae v. Curtis legal dispute via his blog at:

https://yourtaxmatterspartner.com/non-sequitur-lawsuit-divides-hovindologists/

My comments to Peter’s blog:

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Update August 21, 2020

Steve McRae continues to show himself the coward, refusing to face me, and continuing to make his false claims and take his cheap shots at me, with the help of his minions.  “Secret Squirrel” happened to document this example, after which the screenshot of Kent Hovind shows how the Hovind and McRae analogy seems again to be strengthened.

UniRock evaluates Cheshire’s and McRae’s bogus complaint on Twitter at:

https://twitter.com/UNIRockTV/status/1296879197483347976

Menace2Sobriety also adds his unsolicited analysis via a YouTube video at:

https://youtu.be/_vBIsndI6So?t=290

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Update August 22, 2020

I have posted a related article on this site at:

http://kehvrlb.com/steve-mcrae-v-kyle-curtis-service

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Update August 27, 2020

https://youtu.be/JC-yC6zy_jQ?t=60

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Update September 3, 2020

There is also this somewhat related article:

http://kehvrlb.com/steve-mcrae-v-anna-ayscue-rosen-law

Update September 21, 2020

Steve and Cheshire are on YouTube today whining about Steve case against Kyle.  I found the comments illustrated below interesting, pointing out the hypocrisy of Steve McRae considering his tantrum throwing in my FaceBook group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIPMidhs98Q

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