Watch for Updates!

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I spent the first 55 years of my life in Oklahoma and so Kent’s scheduled appearance in Boise City, in the Oklahoma panhandle, caught my attention and interest.

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Kyle Gibson is the man facilitating the production of the events.  Kyle was kind enough and interested enough to engage me in a discussion of Kent’s appearances in Boise City.

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Despite being aware of Kent Hovind for many years, it appeared to me that Kyle was not particularly well-informed of Kent’s criminal and related histories.

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The potential audience for the events includes portions of Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, Texas & New Mexico.  It will be interesting to see how it goes and how the local media might cover the events.

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I wrote a letter to The Boise City News, to the editor/news director.

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That letter is reproduced below.

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For a more complete history of my coverage of the Hovind story, see other articles on this website.

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Links to other sources:

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/kenthovindsworstnightmare/

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https://www.facebook.com/Creationism-101-Critical-Thinking-Exercise-1423957481165720/

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https://www.forbes.com/#5c5f3e982254 (search Hovind)

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https://ytmp.blogspot.com/

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Link to discussion with Kyle Gibson:

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https://www.facebook.com/robert.baty.1/posts/1212660108840674

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Sincerely,

Robert Baty

September 14, 2017



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Letter To The Boise City News

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To: blackmesapub@yahoo.com (The Boise City News)

From: Robert Baty

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:59 PM

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Subject: Kent Hovind Visits Boise City!

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To The Editor/News Director

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I have been chatting the last couple of days with Kyle Gibson about him and his church bringing Kent Hovind to Boise City for some performances, one of which is scheduled to be in the High School auditorium.

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Your paper may be asked to provide advertising for the event and you may even be considering, or will consider, running a news report or human interest story regarding his appearances in Boise City.

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If so, I thought I would offer my services for whatever use you might make of them if you wish to develop a story as to who Kent Hovind is and what he has been up to over the years.

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Basically, he’s an unrepentant federal felon who sent his wife to prison and still has about a 10 months left on his 3 years of Supervised Release after spending about 9 years in federal prison (tax and structuring crimes and obstruction).  He also owes millions in personal income tax liabilities which includes the monetary FRAUD penalties.

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The Monroe Journal, a paper similar to yours in the county next to where Kent currently has his 145 acre compound in Alabama, ran a front page story last year which tried to present Kent’s move to Alabama in a favorable light.  In that article they quoted Kent taking a cheap shot at me.  I called them on it and they agreed to run a response from me, which resulted in several follow up articles.  That record might give you a little history and insight into how you might want to cover the event in your city.

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The Monroe Journal editor told me during the course of all of that that he wished he had never covered the Hovind story.  So, you might want to be careful regarding any coverage you give to the event in your paper.

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Here are links to the on-line archived Monroe Journal stories:

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1. Preliminary Coverage – Hovind Begins Project – May 12, 2016

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/2awhy701ob437fs/Monroe1aP1.pdf?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3po6gusfvicsn5/Monroe1aP8.pdf?dl=0

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2. The Hovind Interview – June 23, 2016

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijcz7uhq9pjyk3l/Monroe1P1.pdf?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/koz46czsqkrt71b/Monroe1P8.pdf?dl=0

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3. The Baty Response With Additions from Dunn & Reilly – June 30, 2016

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/zhj9byjnkswpw7e/Monroe2P1.pdf?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2k3pa7ibukhtovd/Monroe2P8.pdf?dl=0

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4. Ernie Land’s Letter-to-the-Editor – July 14, 2016

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/inolmomneygkh2q/MJp714JUL16.pdf?dl=0

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5. Robert Baty’s Letter-to-the-Editor – July 21, 2016

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/73tqx5vyepwsmo9/MJp721JUL16.pdf?dl=0

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There is, of course, a lot more to the Hovind story, but I will not bother you further.  I just thought I would drop you a line and give you some suggestions and a “heads up” on a story developing in your neck of the woods.
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Sincerely,
Robert Baty
Fort Collins, CO
IRS Appeals Officer – retired 2005
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Confirmation – September 11, 2017

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Other Graphics

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Important Update 09/18/2017 – Church Disavows Sponsorship

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This is a screenshot of the FaceBook Messenger response to Nathan Zamprogno, by the Abundant Grace Church of Boise City.

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Update September 18, 2017

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The Abundant Grace Church of Boise City, OK, where Kent Hovind is scheduled to perform, has apparently scrubbed it’s FaceBook page at the following link of references to the Hovind appearance, including comments from others.

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https://www.facebook.com/AbundantGraceChurchBC/



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Comments

Kent Hovind To Perform In Boise City, OK! — 6 Comments

  1. From Chantry Davis, Abundant Grace Church
    September 17, 2017
    4:00 PM MT
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    Link:
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    https://www.facebook.com/AbundantGraceChurchBC/posts/1432968586811015
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    (TEXT)
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    A Message from Chantry Davis
    Pastor, Abundant Grace Church
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    It seems to some people that Kent Hovind speaking at our
    little building is a big deal, kind of scandalous.
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    Kent is a guy who speaks on many topics of the Bible, and
    although that’s not so scandalous, his past is.
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    He spent ten years in prison for not paying his taxes.
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    You can read all the details, if you care to Google it,
    but I’m not going to talk about them. I’ll let you form
    your own opinion. I will however, give you some insight
    as to why we are allowing him to use this building and
    speak to our church.
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    First off, it is not our building, it’s God’s. Lots of
    people, some that don’t even attend church here, have
    given as God prompted them to so that we could buy and
    remodel the building. They gave believing God would use
    the building for His glory. So it is God’s building, not
    mine or anyone else’s. Could you imagine a home owner
    telling his butler, “So-and-so is going to come use the
    house,” and the butler telling the owner no? That fool
    would be standing in the unemployment line with a black
    eye! I don’t want to be that guy!
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    Secondly, I’m not responsible for what people believe.
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    I am responsible to preach truth and rebuke people who
    are not sound in doctrine in my church. There is a country
    song that says, “You’ve got to stand for something, or
    you’ll fall for anything.” Listen, if we stand for a lie
    we’ve already fallen. It’s our own responsibility to know
    the Truth. I know what I believe, and I’m willing to listen
    with an open mind to what someone else believes, but in the
    end, I just want Truth.
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    Lastly is this, back when we were thinking of a name to
    represent our church, a man in our community told me that
    he felt God was telling him we should call it Abundant
    Grace, and so we did.
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    Since then I have really thought about the grace of God
    and the grace we give others. The terms grace and mercy
    are used a lot in the church, and the easiest way I’ve
    heard to define them is grace is getting what we don’t
    deserve, and mercy is not getting what we do deserve.
    The Bible says, “For the wages of sin is death, but the
    free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
    Romans 6:23. I can see God’s mercy in that, when it says
    I deserve to die because of my sin, but God doesn’t give
    me what I deserve. I see His grace when He gives me eternal
    life, in which I don’t deserve. I can look at my life and
    see so much that I don’t deserve, and some reading this
    would agree with that. It’s scandalous that God gives it
    to me even when I don’t deserve it. Who am I? A sinner
    deserving death! Why would God use me? I was one of the
    worst kids in my class and we had one of most difficult
    classes in high school. I’ve never had any “higher
    education,” I didn’t go to, much less grow up in, church.
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    I’ve had two MIP tickets, partied all the time, and was,
    in general, not a good person. But then God, in His abundant
    grace, gave me new life. That’s way more than I deserve, but
    He does even more by giving me a purpose, a calling, and a
    platform to proclaim His awesomeness. He took a kid that
    could hardly read in school, and uses him to tell others what
    His written word says and means. Want to know why?
    1 Corinthians 1:27
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    I am so glad that my God is rich in mercy and abounding in
    grace! I pray as He has been so good to me, I can do the same
    for the rest of mankind, even a guy like Kent, so that some
    may see my good deeds and praise God’s Holy Name.
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    Amen!
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    • I posted the following to the church’s FaceBook thread:
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      In 2007 Kent Hovind was sentenced to 10 years in prison,
      but he only served around 9 and continues now under a
      period of Supervised Release.
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      Kent also sent his wife to prison as assuredly as King
      David sent Uriah to his death. Folks in the panhandle
      area, especially the women, may be more interested in
      that aspect of what you, Chantry, call Kent’s scandalous
      history. She only had to spend about 9 months in federal
      prison, and after Kent finally got out and returned to
      her UNrepentant, she divorced him. Kent quickly married
      another woman who, in less than a year has, reportedly,
      left Kent.
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      If you don’t like to Google, you can use this reference
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      http://kehvrlb.com/a-chronological-list-of-articles-on-this-site
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      If you are like me, you might find that the “scandalous”
      stuff is not all in Kent’s “past”.
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  2. I just today noticed the following messages on the church’s
    FaceBook page in another thread. It sounds like Nathan’s
    contact and comments are what led to the posting by the
    church as noted above.
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    https://www.facebook.com/AbundantGraceChurchBC/posts/1426725160768691
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    Message #1
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    From: Nathan Zamprogno
    Date: September 13, 2017
    Time: 2:14 AM
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    I’m concerned you’re hosting an event for Kent Hovind.
    Kent Hovind?
    Convicted tax cheat?
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    No one on earth has less integrity than him.
    Cancel the event.
    Run a mile from anything even remotely connected with him!
    He’s a shockingly bad representative of the Gospel.
    He couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it.
    Don’t fall for the hokey charm.

    Kent Hovind creates atheists far, far more effectively
    than Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris all put together!
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    Message #2
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    From: Abundant Grace Church
    Date: September 13, 2017
    Time: 10:34 PM
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    Thank you for your comment.
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    We addressed your questions and concerns in the original
    message you sent to the church via Facebook Messenger.
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  3. This exchange has also just taken place on Robert Stanley’s page!
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    https://www.facebook.com/rl.stanley.3/posts/339462883181894?pnref=story
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    Message #1
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    From: Kelly Clemensen
    Date: September 18, 2017
    Time: 1:30 PM MT
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    Chantry–
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    I am very happy to hear that you feel the way I do about
    those who blow it!
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    I am in 100% agreement with you.
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    As I have said to Robert my friend, Christians are sometimes
    very good at executing their own when they have problems, I
    for one think that is a very poor image of the one we serve,
    Jesus doesn’t do that, he is full of mercy and grace.
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    I have a similar story to yours above.
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    What others that seem to want to bring up someones past and
    try and destroy them because of it, Yes, talking to you Mr.
    Baty.
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    Just wonder how they would feel about someone dwelling on the
    mistakes of their past?
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    Thank you for your grace toward Mr. Hovind, he is just as much
    in need of it as all of us are!!
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    Message #2
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    From: Robert Baty
    Date: September 18, 2017
    Time: 1:40 PM MT
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    Kelly Clemensen
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    You should know by now that I am not the one
    “bringing up the past and trying to destroy someone”.
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    Kent has made his past his cause for the rest of his life,
    and he flat out lies about it as he promotes his false narrative.
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    Maybe you and Chantry are fellow penitants regarding your past.
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    Kent is not!
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    As Kent continues to promote his narrative, I continue to offer
    a response.
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    Some are interested.
    Some are not.
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    I notice, Kelly, that you again evade going into any substantive
    details regarding Kent’s present and/or past.
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    • Followup exchange between me and Kelly:
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      Message #1
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      From: Kelly Clemensen
      Date: September 18, 2017
      Time: 6:25 PM MT
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      Robert–just keep up your witch hunt, you are one unforgiving person.
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      Why is it your responsibility to reproduce trash?
      Does that make you feel good to drag up a person’s
      past and reexamine?
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      He paid his time, is there any forgiveness of that anywhere in your mind/heart?
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      Message #2
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      From: Robert Baty
      Date: September 18, 2017
      Time: 6:30 PM MT
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      That’s not even a respectable attempt to cover for Kent,
      Kelly, but thanks for the lame attempt.
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      It’s not a witch hunt.
      I am forgiving.
      I am not reproducing trash.
      I am not dragging up a person’s past to re-examine.
      Kent has time left on his sentence, and having served his time is
      not particularly relevant to the issues under consideration.
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      Kelly, you ought to give yourself to studying the issues Kent has
      presented to us, like what is required for “structuring”, and then
      join with me in pointing out Kent’s lies and other problems, or
      join with Kent in opposing my position on those issues.
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      • Kelly is persistent!
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        Message #3
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        From: Kelly Clemensen
        Date: September 18, 107
        Time: 9:20 PM MT
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        I will do neither.
        I never did “cover” for Dr. Hovind.
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        I indicated that since he did in fact get convicted
        then it wasn’t impossible, actually I said likely,
        that he did do something that wasn’t kosher.
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        So get your facts straight Robert.
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        You are in fact doing everything that I said you are
        doing and are acting like exactly as I described.
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        Message #4
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        From: Robert Baty
        Date: September 18, 2017
        Time: 9:25 PM MT
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        Well, been around that bush before, Kelly.
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        Is there something substantive you want to take up
        regarding Kent’s criminal and related history?
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        Oh, wait, you already said you weren’t interested,
        didn’t you.
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        So, why not shut up already or at least quit falsely
        accusing me as part of your attempt to cover for Hovind.
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